tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3307739442406722533.comments2023-06-23T03:34:17.600-07:00The Thin Blue LineCrime Analysthttp://www.blogger.com/profile/13625925803753107945noreply@blogger.comBlogger408125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3307739442406722533.post-30258296858901634882015-01-17T00:45:21.989-08:002015-01-17T00:45:21.989-08:00National service is not an educational tool , the ...National service is not an educational tool , the problem is where people cannot be punished for wrongdoing because of actions by the UN and NGOs. People should receive not just education at school , but social education and people and children not respecting laws and rules have to be punished .<br />The responsibility for actions and attitude of youngsters today is firmly with all those do-gooders who stop people and educators from disciplining children.<br />Also NS teaches youngsters to handle arms , is that really what is needed !<br />Also there should be much more legal accountability for the financial and business sector and even government ,<br />people get away with too much , and this has created the society we have today where the rich and powerful are not treated the same as others and this has to change .caver38https://www.blogger.com/profile/09324369012745822065noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3307739442406722533.post-41621954461075307252015-01-15T08:49:49.351-08:002015-01-15T08:49:49.351-08:00Brothers, it breaks my heart to learn of your rece...Brothers, it breaks my heart to learn of your recent losses; may they be at peace, their jobs done. I am also saddened by the fact that your issues are ours also. We are under attack the world over, and at a time when the world needs us like never before. <br />Don't forget that regardless of the press, the government, and the haters, you - WE are the heroes of this age even as our ranks get thinner and thinner. Our citizens need us even if they think we're the problem and not the solution. Stay strong in your resolve and know that there are many good, appreciative people who need, appreciate, and respect us. Please stay safe, watch each others backs, and remain united.<br />As I am unable to identify myself further, I will sign off simply as "Lieutenant from CPD - Chicago"Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3307739442406722533.post-70831921580817932752014-12-18T10:51:19.191-08:002014-12-18T10:51:19.191-08:00Very interesting proposal. I work for a police IT ...Very interesting proposal. I work for a police IT supplier, and the differences between forces are exploited by companies to sell systems multiple times -while any effort to standardise or nationalise is compromised by 43 different approaches and methods, often pulling in contradictory directions. Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10046079586632841601noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3307739442406722533.post-2360531983937503862014-10-27T09:52:34.186-07:002014-10-27T09:52:34.186-07:00It is somewhat belated to post a comment here, and...It is somewhat belated to post a comment here, and I am not an Officer. Some thirty five years ago I looked into joining, and realised with the level of my particular family commitments at the time it wouldn`t be viable. As I have watched over the years, I haven`t regretted not joining. I have regretted how this once great institution and the genuine of the individuals who make it up, have been undermined and demoralised on a continual basis. I very much admire the sincere who have been able to bear with it and remain, somehow mustering up the strength and determination to still go in and do the job. I think the law abiding (and at times to not law abiding) public understand and appreciate more than Police Officers realise. Unfortunately, it is one of those professions where the complaints are heard far more frequently and loudly than the thanks and congratulations. Just don`t lose heart, because the commitment, effort and work are appreciated by most.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3307739442406722533.post-24006907445961152922014-10-18T08:13:17.339-07:002014-10-18T08:13:17.339-07:00Perhaps with accelerated promotion should also com...Perhaps with accelerated promotion should also come accelerated demotionAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3307739442406722533.post-73350908993454469152014-07-18T02:27:27.930-07:002014-07-18T02:27:27.930-07:00The present Chief Executive of ACPO also holds ano...The present Chief Executive of ACPO also holds another role with ACRO which he set up prior to his retirement from Hants Constabulary.<br />In addition to pension, he receives 50k for heading up ACRO and whatever he gets for being Chief Executive for ACRO.<br />It is a great club for setting up private little enterprises using the ACPO brand.<br />Julian Panayiotou ex DS Met and Hants<br />goodcopdown.wordpress.comIPSGhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10088516831310572102noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3307739442406722533.post-28432149466235661352014-07-17T03:40:29.811-07:002014-07-17T03:40:29.811-07:00Martin... My thoughts exactly. Symptomatic of the ...Martin... My thoughts exactly. Symptomatic of the lethargy at leadership level. As you ask, it could mean that the 35% are not bothered, or worse, interested. Either of which is rather a damning indictment on police leadership as a group. Sadly, the unfavourable headlines have done considerable damage and may well carry over into the work of the successor. As I said on the blog, there needs to be a massive culture shift if confidence in police leadership is to be restored. Lord Dear expressed it well in an article I published on the site:- <br /><br /> "Not so long ago misconduct by a senior police officer was rare and newsworthy. Not Now". <br /><br /> Too many top-rank officers are in trouble in the courts and serious doubts are being cast about the trustworthiness of the service at all levels – the death of Ian Tomlinson at the G20 disturbances, Plebgate, phone-hacking, Hillsborough, the apparent politicisation of the Police Federation and so on. Certainly the police can point to falling crime rates and great success in preventing further terrorist attacks since 7/7, but their response too often appears to be disconnected from what the public expect. <br /><br /> The basic problem is leadership. The service has created, trained and promoted to its top ranks managers, rather than leaders. The roots of this go deep, certainly to a decision taken at the Police Staff College in the early 1990s to drop the focus on leadership on the grounds that it was “divisive and elitist” and concentrate instead on management. The police, like much of the public sector, remain preoccupied with the management ethic, ignoring the words of Viscount Slim p a noted leader in both the army and the commercial world – that “managers are necessary, leaders are essential”. <br /><br />The result is a service that is too risk averse, frequently process driven and displays all the defensive attitudes of the besieged. Of course there are notable exceptions, but the picture among the senior ranks overall is depressing and getting worse". <br /><br /> If the service had more LEADERS we would have expected a welcome to improve their positioning. My fear is that all too few have the vision. <br /><br /> Steve Bennett <br /> Retired West Midlands Officer Crime Analysthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13625925803753107945noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3307739442406722533.post-16466221120908664502014-07-17T03:39:45.079-07:002014-07-17T03:39:45.079-07:00Linked In..
Martin Palmer
Freelance Trainer
I am...Linked In..<br />Martin Palmer <br />Freelance Trainer<br /><br />I am surprised that only 65% took the opportunity to vote on this matter. Does this mean that there are 35% who are not bothered one way or the other ? <br />Crime Analysthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13625925803753107945noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3307739442406722533.post-88222379330130007632014-07-06T00:39:58.321-07:002014-07-06T00:39:58.321-07:00Just discovered your blog which I found useful con...Just discovered your blog which I found useful containing a balanced mix of useful articles.<br />Following James Patrick's withdrawal of his whistleblowing claim, I have decided to publish my own story and hopefully give some useful guidance and advice on the way to assist others who may be going through what I went through. There will be two blogs, the first is goodcopdown.wordpress.com and twitter @GoodCopDown Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3307739442406722533.post-63182691871189664952014-07-05T03:43:03.565-07:002014-07-05T03:43:03.565-07:00Bob was a committed and enthusiastic Chair of the ...Bob was a committed and enthusiastic Chair of the APA and member of the former National Policing Board. Bob was always in the centre of any discussions that affected policing - he will be greatly missed. Brian CoxAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3307739442406722533.post-23388575622710877372014-06-20T04:54:08.472-07:002014-06-20T04:54:08.472-07:00Additional legislation is unnecessary. There are a...Additional legislation is unnecessary. There are already significant pieces of legislation that subject to proper investigation can be used to deal with corruption. It is no good targeting the Police Service, the vast majority of whom are honest, by introducing something that reflects on a few bad apples. What I would prefer to see is an all embracing offence for all those in public service beyond malfeasance. This would include some of the categories highlighted in previous comments. <br />By John BoylinCrime Analysthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13625925803753107945noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3307739442406722533.post-57786077462934930202014-06-19T10:46:44.775-07:002014-06-19T10:46:44.775-07:00David PAGE
User Group Expander (Part-time contra...David PAGE <br /><br />User Group Expander (Part-time contract) at University of Warwick<br /><br />Steve, <br /><br /> It is very funny and needs wider circulation. <br /><br /> To be fair Mrs Thatcher had her moments with the police, usually in private and could be scathing. For example the once widely cited and similar to "Why give the police more money to recruit more, they only sit around in canteens". <br />Crime Analysthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13625925803753107945noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3307739442406722533.post-59830696337495394552014-06-19T10:46:01.197-07:002014-06-19T10:46:01.197-07:00From Linked In...
David PAGE
User Group Expander...From Linked In...<br />David PAGE <br /><br />User Group Expander (Part-time contract) at University of Warwick<br /><br />Steve, <br /><br /> It is very funny and needs wider circulation. <br /><br /> To be fair Mrs Thatcher had her moments with the police, usually in private and could be scathing. For example the once widely cited and similar to "Why give the police more money to recruit more, they only sit around in canteens". Crime Analysthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13625925803753107945noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3307739442406722533.post-40800020648064478552014-06-19T10:38:46.611-07:002014-06-19T10:38:46.611-07:00There is clearly more than enough existing legisla...There is clearly more than enough existing legislation to deal with corrupt officers (or politicians, or indeed any other calling). This smacks of a government attempting to exploit opportunities to cash in on the current trend of police-bashing to attract the populist (if not particularly well-informed) vote. The point regarding senior officers is, however, well made. Punishment should always consider the position of the defendant. Public opinion has been eroded by a succession of scandals orchestrated and supported by senior officers intent on furthering their own careers at any cost. <br />By Peter BarronCrime Analysthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13625925803753107945noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3307739442406722533.post-86683732538840404482014-06-19T03:50:45.605-07:002014-06-19T03:50:45.605-07:00Andrew Fleming FAP, SoFI, ICA
Director at Financ...Andrew Fleming FAP, SoFI, ICA <br /><br />Director at Financial Security Solutions Ltd<br /><br />Corruption and misconduct can be dealt with effectively under the Fraud Act 2006, the Bribery Act 2010 and the Theft Act 1968. The powers are there already and there are more that we can call on if needed. <br /><br /> I have had the joy of investigating MPs, MEPs, police officers and our judiciary and I can tell you plainly that although the police do have thieves inside the walls and do have officers who collude with serious criminals, their acts don't compare to the scale of corrupt practises by politicians, nor do they have the same impact. Furthermore it is more likely that the book will be thrown at a police officer and that he will be charged because of how efficient the investigation process is. Recent examples regarding MPs/Minister suggest however that they can just pay the money back and all if forgiven. <br /><br /> Recently at a lunch with an MEP he explained that a number of the MPs charged were deliberately fed to the police during the investigation into expenses fraud because they were trouble, yet others were deliberately excluded. I can't prove definitively if that was true or not but how many MPs were prosecuted for flipping houses and why did the house of Lords change its definition of what a home address was? <br /><br /> The public do not regard the police as highly as they once did, however they are still held in far higher esteem than any politician or political party. So lets speak the truth, the police are investigated internally by the DPS and externally by the IPCC and the HMIC, they hold no political power and are made up, in the majority, by decent law abiding individuals who want to serve the public and make personal sacrifices to do so. They are routinely sacked or prosecuted depending on the offence and Judges when sentencing ive them far longer sentences because of the breach of public trust. <br /><br /> Isn't it about time that we had an independent body out with political control that could investigate and prosecute our politicians? After all if we can do it for the police, why can't we do it for the people who hold all the power? <br /><br /> I am all for new laws to stamp out corruption and malfeasance in a public office but lets include MPs, the Judiciary, the legal profession and medical professionals, as well as the police. Crime Analysthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13625925803753107945noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3307739442406722533.post-10563741496770907832014-06-19T00:46:28.901-07:002014-06-19T00:46:28.901-07:00Guys- Politicians HAVE gone to jail for fiddling e...Guys- Politicians HAVE gone to jail for fiddling expenses in Parliament and quite rightly too! My own view as a former police officer is that the Government will wish to see corruption and misconduct separated out and indeed the Police Integrity and Corruption inspection by HMIC is now under way and will do just that. It is clear that the police service needs to look very closely at how it tests for and weeds out and prevents corrupt practices. There have been far to many instances in recent years - particularly of those at the top of the service - who have used their power and influence for personal interest and the interest of close associates.The public DO NOTregard the police as highly as they did 20 years ago and it is our own fault!! We have brought this on ourselves. <br />By Gareth Bryon MBA FCMI FinstLMCrime Analysthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13625925803753107945noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3307739442406722533.post-30135076642193728422014-06-18T17:58:47.192-07:002014-06-18T17:58:47.192-07:00There is a school of thought that the current wave...There is a school of thought that the current waves of attacks against the police are revenge for the police having the temerity to investigate the fraud and theft which constituted the expenses scandal. <br />By AIDAN LAVIN<br />Crime Analysthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13625925803753107945noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3307739442406722533.post-13319140183931893702014-06-18T17:52:26.013-07:002014-06-18T17:52:26.013-07:00There is no deflection Philip, just rather irritat...There is no deflection Philip, just rather irritated professionals looking at individuals in a glass house throwing a lot of stones. I investigated corrupt officers in Westminster and was more than happy, along with the majority of officers, to see them prosecuted. Proportionally we have more corrupt politicians and it looks like the latest one is the Mayor of Tower Hamlets yet I don't see them clamouring to have an equivalent offence relating to their nefarious activities.<br /><br />The reality is we don't need a new offence, as Shaun to eloquently pointed out above, theft, fraud, perjury and bribery are well catered for and we have ample legislation to deal with those offences without a new act. This then begs the question why do we need a new act and the answer that springs to mind is that a political party is trying to make a political point and look hard in the process.<br /><br />The British public has never held politicians in such low regard, yet here we see them chasing a profession that cannot strike, has limited industrial rights and massive restrictions on their personal lives being targeted, when the reality is that crime within the ranks is actually quite low.<br /><br />No one wants to serve with corrupt officers but unlike other professions, we regularly lock up our members who commit criminality. If you want a comparison just try and investigate a Judge, a lawyer an MP or a member of the House of Lords and watch what happens. No one is investigated to the same degree as the police, so why do we need a new law when the IPCC and the DPS are doing rather well at removing the rotten apples already?<br /><br />No deflection, just honest anger. <br />By Andrew Fleming FAP, SoFI, ICA<br />Crime Analysthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13625925803753107945noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3307739442406722533.post-59848809182606586052014-06-18T17:51:26.937-07:002014-06-18T17:51:26.937-07:00Philip WATERS
Owner, Executive Guidance Ltd
I c...Philip WATERS <br /><br />Owner, Executive Guidance Ltd<br /><br />I can't help thinking there is quite a lot of deflecting going on here. The issue is about dishonest police officers. If an officer is dishonest then I would not want to have served with them. I don't see what harm a new specific offence will do. It could focus the mind just a little. Being honest is key to the reputation of individual officers and the service as a whole. <br />Crime Analysthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13625925803753107945noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3307739442406722533.post-43401060824611637632014-06-18T09:14:43.592-07:002014-06-18T09:14:43.592-07:00Even if the crime statistics published showed a mo...Even if the crime statistics published showed a more realistic outline of crime I doubt that it would have saved the police from the budgetary cuts. I am also aware that many senior police managers receive a cash bonus when targets including crime reductions are met. Targets in my opinion should stress qualitative not quantitative issues. <br />By Kevin Rigg<br />Crime Analysthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13625925803753107945noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3307739442406722533.post-26216424651460059032014-06-18T09:14:07.349-07:002014-06-18T09:14:07.349-07:00Could not agree more Steve. The corrupt stats real...Could not agree more Steve. The corrupt stats really turned round to bite the police in the rear end. Just as most of us DC's who wouldn't get involved in it predicted. <br />By AIDAN LAVINCrime Analysthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13625925803753107945noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3307739442406722533.post-20923715762568970552014-06-18T07:52:09.402-07:002014-06-18T07:52:09.402-07:00Police are open to all of the temptations of the h...Police are open to all of the temptations of the human race. I do however feel that the criticism of the police is ideologically motivated within a wider attack on the public sector that the government sees as being too expensive and a good way to address the economic situation by cutting costs. This together with aspects of' Plebgate', 'Hillsburgh', and the on-going scandals of the Met, add to the notion of an anti police government. <br /><br />In the north east, the area of the country where poverty, unemployment and deprivation continue to increase, a huge raft of redundancies within the public sector led to an added increase in long-term unemployment and where replacement jobs have been found they have usually been part-time, utilised less skills, for a good deal less money.<br /><br />We have also seen increases in university fees and when we add this together it seems as if it is a case of smothering the expectations of the working classes and enforcing an ideology of the rich 'enslaving' the poor. hence this overview of the public servant being seen as a servant, in other words servile. This I find very sad as someone who worked within the community to improve their situation.<br /><br />It's almost as if the ordinary person was to blame for the economic crisis, rather than those bankers who took reckless risks with others investments. All my years as a police officer I made strides to be independent of politics, however in the past few years I have found it difficult to remain on the fence, and as such get annoyed at the criticisms of government on those who have struggled to do the best for the wider population. I'll get off my soap box now! <br />By Kevin RiggCrime Analysthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13625925803753107945noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3307739442406722533.post-36757809203703985712014-06-18T07:51:34.923-07:002014-06-18T07:51:34.923-07:00Police officers should know right from wrong irres...Police officers should know right from wrong irrespective of the era they live in. They become corrupt for the age old same reason. Greed. Once you reach for the Buck's shilling, you become Buck. No longer a police officer. We expect politicians to be greedy, vain, arrogant and self-serving. The media now routinely portray the police in the same light <br />By AIDAN LAVINCrime Analysthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13625925803753107945noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3307739442406722533.post-83014749895010094062014-06-18T07:51:01.729-07:002014-06-18T07:51:01.729-07:00Police are usually more visible than other represe...Police are usually more visible than other representatives of authority such as politicians and economists.So ,they, may become more vulnerable to attack. <br />In today's unstable and uncertain world many "ordinary" members of the Public feel uncertain and somewhat impotent to bring about change and retribution for those conditions. The message has broadcast by the media and celebrity culture, that Money and fame is the goal to aim for. Since Police are recruited from within regular communities, that accept these standards...is it surprising that some Police officers will also be open to corruption? <br />By Pat Vanderveer (Ban)Crime Analysthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13625925803753107945noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3307739442406722533.post-64885804172887985532014-06-18T05:19:12.966-07:002014-06-18T05:19:12.966-07:00Politicians are no different from other citizens. ...Politicians are no different from other citizens. If they are found guilty of criminal conduct then they deserve punishment commensurate with their guilt. They should be subject to the due process of investigation and consequent judicial process. This also applies to Police officers. During my service I had no hesitation in investigating police corruption and indeed if necessary proceed to the courts. Likewise if I was confronted with political<br />criminal conduct then my values would direct that appropriate action is taken. At the national level Parliment needs an independent body neutral and devoid of political influence to investigate allegations of criminality and yes that means intrusive criminal scrutiny of for example expenses themed incidents. The majority of politicians like police officers are in my experience hard working and focused on community delivery. Corrupt politicians and police officers belong in one place and publicly should be named and shamed. However I present this situation, why does the national media seek to use previously convicted politicians to offer comment on various political issues when their honesty and integrity in the eyes of the public is seriously damaged? <br />By Martyn JonesCrime Analysthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13625925803753107945noreply@blogger.com