tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3307739442406722533.post2409465838395977444..comments2023-06-23T03:34:17.600-07:00Comments on The Thin Blue Line: BRITISH JUSTICE? - A JOKE THAT JUST ISN'T FUNNYCrime Analysthttp://www.blogger.com/profile/13625925803753107945noreply@blogger.comBlogger11125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3307739442406722533.post-42450348859018644352011-02-28T02:51:28.047-08:002011-02-28T02:51:28.047-08:00Posted from the Former Police Officers in business...Posted from the Former Police Officers in business group on Linked in . . . <br /><br />Well,I guess being "across the Pond" and nota "copper" and part of the UK system, I may not understand what they have now in the CPS and what they had before this system. And, considering the fact that much of our Justice System comes from England, and as a police office in the past, I would at times disagree with our prosecutors just as they have in this case, but I don't think justice is always what any of us want, and not in this sad case.<br /><br />That being said, to read the Code for this offense, S18 Offences Against The Person Act : Whosoever shall unlawfully and maliciously by any means whatsoever, wound or cause GBH to any other person with intent to do GBH to any person. (Life Imprisonment) and <br />S20 Unlawfully and maliciously wound or inflict GBH upon any other person either with or without any weapon or instrument. (5 years Imprisonment), the final judgement does not seem to fit the crime, especially since the attacker did not even get a criminal record.<br /><br />I would recommend everyone read the actual interview in this case before making a decision as to Bob H and Ashley's comments and Colin and Bob P's responses. I have to agree, after reading the case details as given, and the possible charges and the final "decision" of the court, and comments from the prosecution and victim aid representative, this does not seem the real justice that any of us, USA or UK would call fair, just and in line with the crime, injury and damages inflicted and judgement ruled.<br /><br />I know a lot of defense attorneys and a few prosecutors, and have seen many a trial, some giving justice in the ruling and sentence, others also missing the mark maybe. In this case, the final results seems to be a miscarriage of any real justice for the victim and a very light end sentence for the accused, who seems to have had no remorse. <br />Posted by Bob Chauncey, CPP (ret), CISM, CITCrime Analysthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13625925803753107945noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3307739442406722533.post-44992479661637413942011-02-23T22:49:35.660-08:002011-02-23T22:49:35.660-08:00Posted from Former Police Officers in Business gro...Posted from Former Police Officers in Business group on Linked In . . . . <br /><br />Well,I guess being "across the Pond" and nota "copper" and part of the UK system, I may not understand what they have now in the CPS and what they had before this system. And, considering the fact that much of our Justice System comes from England, and as a police office in the past, I would at times disagree with our prosecutors just as they have in this case, but I don't think justice is always what any of us want, and not in this sad case.<br /><br />That being said, to read the Code for this offense, S18 Offences Against The Person Act : Whosoever shall unlawfully and maliciously by any means whatsoever, wound or cause GBH to any other person with intent to do GBH to any person. (Life Imprisonment) and <br />S20 Unlawfully and maliciously wound or inflict GBH upon any other person either with or without any weapon or instrument. (5 years Imprisonment), the final judgement does not seem to fit the crime, especially since the attacker did not even get a criminal record.<br /><br />I would recommend everyone read the actual interview in this case before making a decision as to Bob H and Ashley's comments and Colin and Bob P's responses. I have to agree, after reading the case details as given, and the possible charges and the final "decision" of the court, and comments from the prosecution and victim aid representative, this does not seem the real justice that any of us, USA or UK would call fair, just and in line with the crime, injury and damages inflicted and judgement ruled.<br /><br />I know a lot of defense attorneys and a few prosecutors, and have seen many a trial, some giving justice in the ruling and sentence, others also missing the mark maybe. In this case, the final results seems to be a miscarriage of any real justice for the victim and a very light end sentence for the accused, who seems to have had no remorse. <br />Posted by Bob Chauncey, CPP (ret), CISM, CITCrime Analysthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13625925803753107945noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3307739442406722533.post-14647034693973024542011-02-22T15:14:34.211-08:002011-02-22T15:14:34.211-08:00Posted from the Former Police fficers in business ...Posted from the Former Police fficers in business Group on Linked In . . . <br /><br />Colin I support your point of view the CPS is an integral and necessary part of the system.<br />Its a hard pill to swallow but us from the front line (as was) have to accept that we have a justice system it may not be perfect but its the best we can do. I spend a lot of my time now lecturing and "training" both sides of the divide and it always is a surprise to me the depth of mistrust on both sides will there never be a day when the old bill and the briefs can ever have adult to adult communication as professionals.<br />Frankly to me its a cheap shot you either have a persuasive case or you don't if you do then any CPS will put it forward go back to the days of giving it a run not for me mate. <br />Posted by Bob PointerCrime Analysthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13625925803753107945noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3307739442406722533.post-61543040901680362922011-02-21T16:27:02.672-08:002011-02-21T16:27:02.672-08:00Posted from the Former Police Officers in business...Posted from the Former Police Officers in business Group on Linked In . . . <br /><br />Bob, Sorry I cannot agree. That is a very genral sweeping statement . Many of my friends are lawyer for the CPS and case workers too and I have a long history going back with many senior and junior people, Many of whom do a really good job are hard working professionals doing the right thing. They have many difficult calls to make and sometimes it's their clarity of judgement that often people can't see. Yes, they have to respond to the Government without doubt, and yes you do get the odd one that make a poor call but no different than any other Public Sector department. <br />I am glad they were brought in as the law is a complex thing and copper need to stick to being coppers. <br />Posted by Colin GrantCrime Analysthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13625925803753107945noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3307739442406722533.post-66846780353444812012011-02-21T16:25:44.306-08:002011-02-21T16:25:44.306-08:00Posted from the Former Police Officers in Business...Posted from the Former Police Officers in Business Group on Linked In . . . <br /><br />Absolutely appalling. I hadn't seen the site before - and especially liked the article on ACPO. <br />Posted by Ashley WilceCrime Analysthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13625925803753107945noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3307739442406722533.post-50532796021098038332011-02-21T12:21:17.399-08:002011-02-21T12:21:17.399-08:00From Linked In . .
There are multiple tragedies ...From Linked In . . <br /><br />There are multiple tragedies here. Samantha, of course. The British judicial (not justice) system. The administration of Justice. The lack of (or inadequate) parenting of the offender. The focus on costs rather than justice. Where are the ministers from the MOJ now? Where the senior CPS managers? Where the chairman of the Sentencing guidelines council? Where the head of plea bargains? Need I go on? <br />Posted by Benjamyn DamazerCrime Analysthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13625925803753107945noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3307739442406722533.post-69593262295213815882011-02-21T09:33:56.337-08:002011-02-21T09:33:56.337-08:00From the Police Debate Group on Linked In . . .
...From the Police Debate Group on Linked In . . . <br /><br />A shocking case - whilst I understand some of the explanations given from the lawyers, magistrates etc. who work within the rules of the CJS this sends the totally wrong message out to the public, and the victims family and friends must be distraught. The decision is not acceptable, but I am not surprised - I have read many academic assignments from students during the last 5-years who critique police investigations and I can see their frustration on many occasions when the Crown Prosecution Service go for the easy option of discontinuance or reducing to a lesser charge. In cases like this we should be pulling all of the stops out to ensure that justice is seen to be done. <br />Posted by Barrie SheldonCrime Analysthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13625925803753107945noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3307739442406722533.post-17793622336111319432011-02-21T09:07:09.878-08:002011-02-21T09:07:09.878-08:00Posted from Linked In . . .
The worst thing that...Posted from Linked In . . . <br /><br />The worst thing that every happened to British justice was the introduction of the CPS. They are out of touch and are out for an easy ride at anyones expense. Justice doesn't matter to them it is just conviction rate, and cost. <br /><br />Posted by Bob HealeyCrime Analysthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13625925803753107945noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3307739442406722533.post-67634092266474895102011-02-21T08:29:00.740-08:002011-02-21T08:29:00.740-08:00Posted from Linked In ...
This is shocking. Whil...Posted from Linked In ... <br /><br />This is shocking. While I still a Transport cop I dealt with an incident were youths had thrown a fire extinguisher from one moving train into the path of another causing the drivers window to smash into the drivers face. One one occasion the driver was lucky as he was being tutored by an experienced driver, and secondly he was slowing to stop at a station. The youth was caught after I recovered the extinguisher... he didn't get much of a punishment at all. Does make you wonder if it is all worth it!! <br />Posted by Andrew RuddCrime Analysthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13625925803753107945noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3307739442406722533.post-23756447632823259752011-02-20T08:39:08.939-08:002011-02-20T08:39:08.939-08:00Everything that can be said on the injustice of th...Everything that can be said on the injustice of this probably has been. There are problems at the 'other emf' in which we are criminalizing too many minor matters of indiscretion and even people trying to stand up against this kind of horror.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3307739442406722533.post-39604738114650567192011-02-20T05:41:33.261-08:002011-02-20T05:41:33.261-08:00And these people can sleep at nights?And these people can sleep at nights?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com